Comments on: Why Every Recruiter Needs JibberJobber http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/ advocacy for the job seeker Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:49:31 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JibberJobber Blog » Blog Archive » JibberJobber Is For… WHO??? http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-27192 JibberJobber Blog » Blog Archive » JibberJobber Is For… WHO??? Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:58:46 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-27192 [...] The recruiter. I have an entire post on JibberJobber for recruiters here… [...] [...] The recruiter. I have an entire post on JibberJobber for recruiters here… [...]

]]> By: Katie http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26377 Katie Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:04:14 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26377 Hi Jason, I am both a recruiter and a career coach. I have counseled job seekers on the value of jibberjobber to track their job search. Good tool. I also have always "preached" the first step in a job search is to take charge of it yourself by making a list of your target companies within your industries. By doing that, as a job seeker, you can then use your own network and your recruiter's network to contact insiders at those target companies when your recruiter doesn't have hot jobs. Don't wait for your perfect job to appear. Go create your job through the use of aggressive marketing tactics through direct approaches. What job seekers need to remember is that companies use outside recruiters when they are unable to find viable candidates, are just hiring at such volume or need temp/contract only employees. Job seekers can't wait for the phone to ring! Use good, reliable recruiters but don't expect miracles. Do your own networking beyond the usual tactics. Cold call and research target companies and so on...And as far as taking contact info. My address book is mine and stays where it is safe. If you and I exchange e-mail addresses via an outlet such as LinkedIn then we have networked. But if I received your resume in a professional exchange at my current employer then that crosses the line of breaching a confidentiality agreement and you still "belong" to my employer if I left. Sorry! I like you but I can't take you with me. Hope this helps some. Hi Jason,
I am both a recruiter and a career coach. I have counseled job seekers on the value of jibberjobber to track their job search. Good tool. I also have always “preached” the first step in a job search is to take charge of it yourself by making a list of your target companies within your industries. By doing that, as a job seeker, you can then use your own network and your recruiter’s network to contact insiders at those target companies when your recruiter doesn’t have hot jobs. Don’t wait for your perfect job to appear. Go create your job through the use of aggressive marketing tactics through direct approaches. What job seekers need to remember is that companies use outside recruiters when they are unable to find viable candidates, are just hiring at such volume or need temp/contract only employees.
Job seekers can’t wait for the phone to ring! Use good, reliable recruiters but don’t expect miracles. Do your own networking beyond the usual tactics. Cold call and research target companies and so on…And as far as taking contact info. My address book is mine and stays where it is safe. If you and I exchange e-mail addresses via an outlet such as LinkedIn then we have networked. But if I received your resume in a professional exchange at my current employer then that crosses the line of breaching a confidentiality agreement and you still “belong” to my employer if I left. Sorry! I like you but I can’t take you with me.
Hope this helps some.

]]> By: Jason http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26173 Jason Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:20:35 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26173 Ok I blogged on my responses here: http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/508 Ok I blogged on my responses here: http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/508

]]> By: Daniel Sweet http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26171 Daniel Sweet Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:12:50 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26171 The same people who are in the business of acquiring business directories for recruiters (in less than ethical ways) will steal the same sort of information from anywhere it is available. I'll check out Big Biller - thanks! My problem is being a 1 man show and finding something appropriate and still reasonably priced. JibberJobber fits the bill if I could get over the data security thing... Dan The same people who are in the business of acquiring business directories for recruiters (in less than ethical ways) will steal the same sort of information from anywhere it is available.

I’ll check out Big Biller – thanks! My problem is being a 1 man show and finding something appropriate and still reasonably priced.

JibberJobber fits the bill if I could get over the data security thing…

Dan

]]> By: Recruiter & Small Business Web Services http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26092 Recruiter & Small Business Web Services Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:59:31 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26092 Oh, I've seen people in our business do worse things alright... but I don't think that there are organized rings of JibberJobber contact robbers who are just waiting to hack my data... unlike the 10's of thousands of hackers who are trying to get at credit card databases. Dan, I'm certainly not trying to start an argument, and my disagreement on this issue doesn't rise nearly to the level of vehemence... But I'm don't worry too much about people trying to acquire my 'data' per say... because even with that, they aren't acquiring my relationships. BTW, I wasn't trying to lowball the number of contacts that you might store in JJ or your ATS. I know you are powerfully connected! ;-) Also, if you might be looking for a new ATS, check out Big Biller... Call Drea at (330) 455-1433 ext 156 and tell him Carl sent you. :-) Oh, I’ve seen people in our business do worse things alright… but I don’t think that there are organized rings of JibberJobber contact robbers who are just waiting to hack my data… unlike the 10’s of thousands of hackers who are trying to get at credit card databases.

Dan, I’m certainly not trying to start an argument, and my disagreement on this issue doesn’t rise nearly to the level of vehemence… But I’m don’t worry too much about people trying to acquire my ‘data’ per say… because even with that, they aren’t acquiring my relationships.

BTW, I wasn’t trying to lowball the number of contacts that you might store in JJ or your ATS. I know you are powerfully connected! ;-)

Also, if you might be looking for a new ATS, check out Big Biller… Call Drea at (330) 455-1433 ext 156 and tell him Carl sent you. :-)

]]> By: Daniel Sweet http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26083 Daniel Sweet Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:29:31 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26083 Carl, I disagree vehemently. Our contacts, whether they be 1,000 or 100,000 are what we've spent however long we've been in business ferreting out. They represent many man-years of work. Why wouldn't someone either new in recruiting or looking desperately for candidates to fill their positions want to steal people we've identified as good quality candidates? Like the TJX theft, it represents millions of dollars of revenue to the thief. Unlike the TJX theft. there is almost zero risk of being caught. And you've been in the industry long enough to know that many of our less ethical colleagues have done much worse for less. Dan Carl,

I disagree vehemently.

Our contacts, whether they be 1,000 or 100,000 are what we’ve spent however long we’ve been in business ferreting out. They represent many man-years of work.

Why wouldn’t someone either new in recruiting or looking desperately for candidates to fill their positions want to steal people we’ve identified as good quality candidates?

Like the TJX theft, it represents millions of dollars of revenue to the thief. Unlike the TJX theft. there is almost zero risk of being caught.

And you’ve been in the industry long enough to know that many of our less ethical colleagues have done much worse for less.

Dan

]]> By: Jason http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26080 Jason Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:15:52 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26080 Dan - these are excellent points, and I know you aren't the only one concerned with these issues. I'm going to respond in a separate blog post. Jason Dan – these are excellent points, and I know you aren’t the only one concerned with these issues. I’m going to respond in a separate blog post.

Jason

]]> By: Recruiter & Small Business Web Services http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26078 Recruiter & Small Business Web Services Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:11:33 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26078 Dan, I think that there is enough value in 400K credit card nubmers for someone to do whatever is necessary to get at them... not so with your 1000 or so contacts. IMHO -Carl Dan, I think that there is enough value in 400K credit card nubmers for someone to do whatever is necessary to get at them… not so with your 1000 or so contacts. IMHO -Carl

]]> By: Daniel Sweet http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2007/04/04/why-every-recruiter-needs-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-26072 Daniel Sweet Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:00:07 +0000 http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/archives/505#comment-26072 I'm going to let you inside the not-so-crowded head of a recruiter and see the shadows behind the doors. This is going to come across negative, but I guarantee that if I'm thinking it, other people are, too. My assumption is this: if it is on the web, it'll be stolen. The parent company to TJMaxx / Ross just got most of their customer data stolen. Banks get their data stolen (though they rarely report it because of the bad publicity) and they're pretty serious about security. The military gets their information stolen and they're more serious about security. In addition, it makes me dependent on you, your hosting service, and your business plan. If you do any of the standard "web 2.0" things (change business plan, change focus, or, God forbid, go out of business) then my ATS is down the drain. I have, in fact, been thinking about JibberJobber as a potential ATS and will still investigate it to see it's usefulness to that purpose. But these are the concerns that are lurking in the back of my head. Can you slap a pacifier in my mouth, rock me to sleep, and assure me that it'll all be okay? Dan I’m going to let you inside the not-so-crowded head of a recruiter and see the shadows behind the doors. This is going to come across negative, but I guarantee that if I’m thinking it, other people are, too.

My assumption is this: if it is on the web, it’ll be stolen. The parent company to TJMaxx / Ross just got most of their customer data stolen. Banks get their data stolen (though they rarely report it because of the bad publicity) and they’re pretty serious about security. The military gets their information stolen and they’re more serious about security.

In addition, it makes me dependent on you, your hosting service, and your business plan. If you do any of the standard “web 2.0″ things (change business plan, change focus, or, God forbid, go out of business) then my ATS is down the drain.

I have, in fact, been thinking about JibberJobber as a potential ATS and will still investigate it to see it’s usefulness to that purpose. But these are the concerns that are lurking in the back of my head.

Can you slap a pacifier in my mouth, rock me to sleep, and assure me that it’ll all be okay?

Dan

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