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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-605263</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and comments.  I agree with everything except that I don&#039;t quite get the objection to pleats.  They can add a subtle note of distinction, in my opinion.  (Just make sure the pants fit well, which you&#039;d do anyway, right?  Pleats stretched out because they are too tight don&#039;t *quite* give the effect you&#039;re looking for.)

I&#039;d add that in some settings -- academia, libraries, probably museums and nonprofits, to name a few I&#039;m acquainted with -- a mustache or beard is fine if it&#039;s well-groomed and doesn&#039;t look goofy.  (I can pull off a beard but not a mustache by itself, for some reason.)  But please please please, either shave or don&#039;t.  That ubiquitous two- or three-day stubble look is like the Harpo perm so many women were wearing in the late 70s -- there are probably six or eight individuals on earth who can actually wear it well.  (Actually if you have a beard you&#039;re still going to shave around it.  I can&#039;t imagine a jacket-and-tie setting where a neck beard wouldn&#039;t look grotesque.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and comments.  I agree with everything except that I don&#8217;t quite get the objection to pleats.  They can add a subtle note of distinction, in my opinion.  (Just make sure the pants fit well, which you&#8217;d do anyway, right?  Pleats stretched out because they are too tight don&#8217;t *quite* give the effect you&#8217;re looking for.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add that in some settings &#8212; academia, libraries, probably museums and nonprofits, to name a few I&#8217;m acquainted with &#8212; a mustache or beard is fine if it&#8217;s well-groomed and doesn&#8217;t look goofy.  (I can pull off a beard but not a mustache by itself, for some reason.)  But please please please, either shave or don&#8217;t.  That ubiquitous two- or three-day stubble look is like the Harpo perm so many women were wearing in the late 70s &#8212; there are probably six or eight individuals on earth who can actually wear it well.  (Actually if you have a beard you&#8217;re still going to shave around it.  I can&#8217;t imagine a jacket-and-tie setting where a neck beard wouldn&#8217;t look grotesque.)</p>
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		<title>By: Favorite Friday: Dress for Success, er, Failure &#124; Career Management Alliance Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-603892</link>
		<dc:creator>Favorite Friday: Dress for Success, er, Failure &#124; Career Management Alliance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do one post on Dress for Failure but I started to get comments on women’s dress. Here’s the Dress for Failure for men post (Sept 8, 2008). Here’s the Dress for Failure for women post (Sept 9, 2008). Fun… you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do one post on Dress for Failure but I started to get comments on women’s dress. Here’s the Dress for Failure for men post (Sept 8, 2008). Here’s the Dress for Failure for women post (Sept 9, 2008). Fun… you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Favorite Friday: Dress for Success, er, Failure &#124; JibberJobber Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-603845</link>
		<dc:creator>Favorite Friday: Dress for Success, er, Failure &#124; JibberJobber Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Dress for Failure for men post (Sept 8, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carol Fletez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Fletez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For men or women, if you are wearing socks, if your pants ride up at all when you sit or you feel comfortable enough to &#039;mirror&#039; someone who has crossed their legs, your socks should not reveal skin or hairy legs!

Also take note of the what the people in the office are wearing; it will give you a good clue as to what to wear to a follow-up interview or even the first day of work assuming you are hired. A good recruiter will also give you clear guidance on the dress code in advance, in case it is a more creative environment where you may show a little more flair. 

Wear a color that makes you seem alive! I am so fair-skinned I cannot wear pastels; they make me look
ready for the undertaker! 

And even if it is Casual Friday, unless told to do so by the person interviewing you, show up in business attire... it is a sign of respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For men or women, if you are wearing socks, if your pants ride up at all when you sit or you feel comfortable enough to &#8216;mirror&#8217; someone who has crossed their legs, your socks should not reveal skin or hairy legs!</p>
<p>Also take note of the what the people in the office are wearing; it will give you a good clue as to what to wear to a follow-up interview or even the first day of work assuming you are hired. A good recruiter will also give you clear guidance on the dress code in advance, in case it is a more creative environment where you may show a little more flair. </p>
<p>Wear a color that makes you seem alive! I am so fair-skinned I cannot wear pastels; they make me look<br />
ready for the undertaker! </p>
<p>And even if it is Casual Friday, unless told to do so by the person interviewing you, show up in business attire&#8230; it is a sign of respect.</p>
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		<title>By: JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Much Money Should You Have Going Into A Job Search?</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-364245</link>
		<dc:creator>JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Much Money Should You Have Going Into A Job Search?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] casual&#8221; environment.  One of the reasons I was so qualified to write the popular Dress for Failure post a while back :)  I would spend about $100 on new shoes, a few hundred on a suit, and the rest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] casual&#8221; environment.  One of the reasons I was so qualified to write the popular Dress for Failure post a while back <img src='http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I would spend about $100 on new shoes, a few hundred on a suit, and the rest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Madden</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-343362</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a long time friend who has worked in human resources for at least 25 years.  He says this story is absolutely true.

He was interviewing job applicants one afternoon when a male candidate walked into his office cross-dressed as a woman.  He had everything -- a very short dress and a low cut top, but it was quite obvious he was a cross dresser.

Oh, the guy did not get the job by the way.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a long time friend who has worked in human resources for at least 25 years.  He says this story is absolutely true.</p>
<p>He was interviewing job applicants one afternoon when a male candidate walked into his office cross-dressed as a woman.  He had everything &#8212; a very short dress and a low cut top, but it was quite obvious he was a cross dresser.</p>
<p>Oh, the guy did not get the job by the way.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Olson &#124; Archivo &#187; Dress to fail for men</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-328774</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Olson &#124; Archivo &#187; Dress to fail for men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alba&#8217;s blog post, Top 10 Things a Guy Can Do To Dress For Failure, made me realize how very little I understand about men&#8217;s wardrobe. It&#8217;s pretty [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alba&#8217;s blog post, Top 10 Things a Guy Can Do To Dress For Failure, made me realize how very little I understand about men&#8217;s wardrobe. It&#8217;s pretty [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Expert Advice And Do The Complete Opposite</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-326512</link>
		<dc:creator>JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Expert Advice And Do The Complete Opposite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should have posted this Wednesday but the fashion posts (dress for failure for men, dress for failure for women, did I cross the line?) were just too fun.  I should have posted this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should have posted this Wednesday but the fashion posts (dress for failure for men, dress for failure for women, did I cross the line?) were just too fun.  I should have posted this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tug</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2008/09/08/dress-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-326130</link>
		<dc:creator>Tug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn&#039;t see this one...
dress for failure = bad B.O. (for those that can help it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t see this one&#8230;<br />
dress for failure = bad B.O. (for those that can help it)</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I begin...I agree with Robert Payne and @dmx&#039;s #11 point.

Now as for me...
1. The socks - 
I am more on the stylish side of dress and have worn various colors of socks with my suits, while meeting clients, and have never been denied the work. However, not everyone can pull it off OR maybe they just weren&#039;t able to see the colors of my toes! lol

2. Dickies - 
No MAN (over 25 yrs) should have a pair of dickies unless he works on an assembly line, as a mechanic, or in construction...even then, most of them wear jeans now.

4. Tie end -
I am a GQ man and they say to let the tie point end no lower than the bottom portion of your belt buckle. However, depending on your height will the length differ.

5. Pant height or lack thereof -
Robert Payne said it best...see above.

6. Short-sleeve -
This remedy is only good for women. Men should never, unless in a casual dress environment, own a short-sleeve button down shirt. Even in a casual environment the shirt should be shot and hung for all as an example of bad clothing choices. ONLY children are allowed to wear these shirts, for holidays and no other...lol.

7. Black w/Brown -
Now, I wear and have worn black w/brown on several occassions BUT I also have many shades of brown that work well with my any of my black shoes (my wife enjoys that I have more than 3 pair of black shoes, lol, women will get that quicker). Again, if nature can pull off colors in any way then so can I...ONLY with the effort of much more work because I didn&#039;t create nature but I have to create my look.

8. Shirt back untucked -
He set himself up for that one, I feel when my shirts are &#039;out of whack&#039; and not how they should be.

9. Undershirts -
This one can vary based on the person, style of dress, and level of perspiration.
A-shirts (slang, wife beaters) are perfect for a thicker, more expensive, and well made dress shirt.
T-shirts: good for those persons like me, I sweat alot and it absorbs the excess so I don&#039;t have a wet underarm when I do remove my jacket.
No-undershirt: ONLY can a well made, thick dress shirt allow for this to be done and if you do not perspire much.

10. Clean SHAVEN!!!!!! (no need for elaboration)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I begin&#8230;I agree with Robert Payne and @dmx&#8217;s #11 point.</p>
<p>Now as for me&#8230;<br />
1. The socks &#8211;<br />
I am more on the stylish side of dress and have worn various colors of socks with my suits, while meeting clients, and have never been denied the work. However, not everyone can pull it off OR maybe they just weren&#8217;t able to see the colors of my toes! lol</p>
<p>2. Dickies &#8211;<br />
No MAN (over 25 yrs) should have a pair of dickies unless he works on an assembly line, as a mechanic, or in construction&#8230;even then, most of them wear jeans now.</p>
<p>4. Tie end -<br />
I am a GQ man and they say to let the tie point end no lower than the bottom portion of your belt buckle. However, depending on your height will the length differ.</p>
<p>5. Pant height or lack thereof -<br />
Robert Payne said it best&#8230;see above.</p>
<p>6. Short-sleeve -<br />
This remedy is only good for women. Men should never, unless in a casual dress environment, own a short-sleeve button down shirt. Even in a casual environment the shirt should be shot and hung for all as an example of bad clothing choices. ONLY children are allowed to wear these shirts, for holidays and no other&#8230;lol.</p>
<p>7. Black w/Brown -<br />
Now, I wear and have worn black w/brown on several occassions BUT I also have many shades of brown that work well with my any of my black shoes (my wife enjoys that I have more than 3 pair of black shoes, lol, women will get that quicker). Again, if nature can pull off colors in any way then so can I&#8230;ONLY with the effort of much more work because I didn&#8217;t create nature but I have to create my look.</p>
<p>8. Shirt back untucked -<br />
He set himself up for that one, I feel when my shirts are &#8216;out of whack&#8217; and not how they should be.</p>
<p>9. Undershirts -<br />
This one can vary based on the person, style of dress, and level of perspiration.<br />
A-shirts (slang, wife beaters) are perfect for a thicker, more expensive, and well made dress shirt.<br />
T-shirts: good for those persons like me, I sweat alot and it absorbs the excess so I don&#8217;t have a wet underarm when I do remove my jacket.<br />
No-undershirt: ONLY can a well made, thick dress shirt allow for this to be done and if you do not perspire much.</p>
<p>10. Clean SHAVEN!!!!!! (no need for elaboration)</p>
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