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	<title>Comments on: WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Seeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Seeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article and great comments.  I have recruited from both sides of the desk (staffing agency vs. corporate) and they are two completely different animals.  Tom Bolt said it perfectly!  The agency recruiter works strictly on jobs that are available and will close the fastest and easiest with the highest payout, also known as ROI.  It depends on how your agency is set up, but there are anywhere from 15-20 jobs that will close within a week that they have to try and find candidates for.  Recruiters are putting calls out (push recruiting) 60+ to try and find the right &quot;fit&quot; for a role.  If your not a return call from calls put out earlier, don&#039;t expect to get a call back right away.  On the other hand, corporate recruiters, who are invested into the success of their own company, are searching for the right personality as well as the right skills to fit into their organization.  They are looking to get a bit more behind the skills and into the personal side of the candidate to try and find out work habits, learning ability, and drive.  Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article and great comments.  I have recruited from both sides of the desk (staffing agency vs. corporate) and they are two completely different animals.  Tom Bolt said it perfectly!  The agency recruiter works strictly on jobs that are available and will close the fastest and easiest with the highest payout, also known as ROI.  It depends on how your agency is set up, but there are anywhere from 15-20 jobs that will close within a week that they have to try and find candidates for.  Recruiters are putting calls out (push recruiting) 60+ to try and find the right &#8220;fit&#8221; for a role.  If your not a return call from calls put out earlier, don&#8217;t expect to get a call back right away.  On the other hand, corporate recruiters, who are invested into the success of their own company, are searching for the right personality as well as the right skills to fit into their organization.  They are looking to get a bit more behind the skills and into the personal side of the candidate to try and find out work habits, learning ability, and drive.  Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: How Much Should You Pay A Good Headhunter? :: Career-Resumes® :: Former resume expert for Monster.com</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2010/03/17/wrong-question-do-you-know-a-recruiter-who-specializes-in/comment-page-1/#comment-480542</link>
		<dc:creator>How Much Should You Pay A Good Headhunter? :: Career-Resumes® :: Former resume expert for Monster.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the role of a recruiter, and the roles of other services professionals who might charge you for services.  Some are legit, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Carpinello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Carpinello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I think your advice is spot on and reinforces two vital points about networking:

1. Establish your network before you need to lean on it.
2. Givers gain.

People who follow those two simple things will find their job search is shorter and more fruitful.  I&#039;m living proof of it.  While still employed I set an insanely aggressive schedule of 30 days to find a position and negotiate employment.  Aside from my determination, I met my goal because I practice those two key points daily.  I am happily in week two of my new position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I think your advice is spot on and reinforces two vital points about networking:</p>
<p>1. Establish your network before you need to lean on it.<br />
2. Givers gain.</p>
<p>People who follow those two simple things will find their job search is shorter and more fruitful.  I&#8217;m living proof of it.  While still employed I set an insanely aggressive schedule of 30 days to find a position and negotiate employment.  Aside from my determination, I met my goal because I practice those two key points daily.  I am happily in week two of my new position.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice (as always!) Jason! 

It&#039;s important try to be of value to every connection you have - regardless of whether they are a recruiter or not.  You&#039;ll get equal value or more back from your network this way.  Recruiters are great, I work with them all the time ;-) but ultimatley it&#039;s best to network on your own.... it will get you far better results in the long run.

.... and Jason, you ROCK at adding value to all that you network with.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice (as always!) Jason! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s important try to be of value to every connection you have &#8211; regardless of whether they are a recruiter or not.  You&#8217;ll get equal value or more back from your network this way.  Recruiters are great, I work with them all the time <img src='http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  but ultimatley it&#8217;s best to network on your own&#8230;. it will get you far better results in the long run.</p>
<p>&#8230;. and Jason, you ROCK at adding value to all that you network with.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: thom singer</title>
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		<dc:creator>thom singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said, in regards to recruiters:

&quot;Now, I say they aren’t good at networking, but in fact they are excellent at networking as it pertains to their job.  Don’t expect them to put their networking mojo on to help you figure out who you should talk to – perhaps I should say “recruiters aren’t really good at networking for you.”&quot;

You are right.  And it is not just recruiters.  So many people forget that networking is &quot;creating a mutually beneficial relationship where both parties achieve more than they would have alone&quot;.  Instead they think it is all about them.  Takers.  

If you want a network to work both parties must be givers.  And it is not just referrals.  There are lots of things that people do to impact others.  And the ones who say they are too busy are liars too.  We can help others in some way.

Can you help everyone?  NO.  But those who are not helping some folks regularly had best examine their efforts to see if they are indeed selfish networkers.

You, Jason.... are NOT a selfish networker.  You are a giver FIRST CLASS!

thom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said, in regards to recruiters:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, I say they aren’t good at networking, but in fact they are excellent at networking as it pertains to their job.  Don’t expect them to put their networking mojo on to help you figure out who you should talk to – perhaps I should say “recruiters aren’t really good at networking for you.”&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right.  And it is not just recruiters.  So many people forget that networking is &#8220;creating a mutually beneficial relationship where both parties achieve more than they would have alone&#8221;.  Instead they think it is all about them.  Takers.  </p>
<p>If you want a network to work both parties must be givers.  And it is not just referrals.  There are lots of things that people do to impact others.  And the ones who say they are too busy are liars too.  We can help others in some way.</p>
<p>Can you help everyone?  NO.  But those who are not helping some folks regularly had best examine their efforts to see if they are indeed selfish networkers.</p>
<p>You, Jason&#8230;. are NOT a selfish networker.  You are a giver FIRST CLASS!</p>
<p>thom</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Top 3 Job Search Tips plus a Bonus Post! &#171; Move on Up</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2010/03/17/wrong-question-do-you-know-a-recruiter-who-specializes-in/comment-page-1/#comment-477185</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Top 3 Job Search Tips plus a Bonus Post! &#171; Move on Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is Jason Alba&#8217;s post WRONG QUESTION: “Do you know a recruiter who specializes in….”  Here&#8217;s an excerpt: Here’s one of my biggest job search pet peeves: asking for a recruiter [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Alba</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2010/03/17/wrong-question-do-you-know-a-recruiter-who-specializes-in/comment-page-1/#comment-477103</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Alba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jennifer - *I* thought recruiters worked for me in my job search! 

My strategy relied heavily on two amazing resources:

1. Job Boards, which is where job postings are, and 

2. Recruiters, who know where I need to go and can help me get there.

Boy was I wrong... I spent WAY too much time chasing those two job search resources. 

Look were it got me.  :p

It&#039;s really a matter of BAD information/assumptions.  Really, when I was in my job search I had read a single book or article, and didn&#039;t feel I had the time. I was going to go get my job and get those paychecks coming back... so my ASSUMPTIONS really made an As_ out of me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer &#8211; *I* thought recruiters worked for me in my job search! </p>
<p>My strategy relied heavily on two amazing resources:</p>
<p>1. Job Boards, which is where job postings are, and </p>
<p>2. Recruiters, who know where I need to go and can help me get there.</p>
<p>Boy was I wrong&#8230; I spent WAY too much time chasing those two job search resources. </p>
<p>Look were it got me.  :p</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a matter of BAD information/assumptions.  Really, when I was in my job search I had read a single book or article, and didn&#8217;t feel I had the time. I was going to go get my job and get those paychecks coming back&#8230; so my ASSUMPTIONS really made an As_ out of me <img src='http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,

I don&#039;t understand why jobseekers have this image that recruiters are working for them. They aren&#039;t! 

I just had someone on the phone yesterday who was telling me about this recruiter that wanted to charge him $3,000 to get him a job. This recruiter was apparently telling him that he had access to the &quot;hidden job market&quot; and that only 2% of available jobs are advertised and he had &quot;exclusive&quot; access to the other 98%. 

The unfortunate thing is that he would have done it if he actually had the money to spend. 

Thank you for writing this. Hopefully, if we write enough of these pieces the word will get out.

I will definitely be sharing this post. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why jobseekers have this image that recruiters are working for them. They aren&#8217;t! </p>
<p>I just had someone on the phone yesterday who was telling me about this recruiter that wanted to charge him $3,000 to get him a job. This recruiter was apparently telling him that he had access to the &#8220;hidden job market&#8221; and that only 2% of available jobs are advertised and he had &#8220;exclusive&#8221; access to the other 98%. </p>
<p>The unfortunate thing is that he would have done it if he actually had the money to spend. </p>
<p>Thank you for writing this. Hopefully, if we write enough of these pieces the word will get out.</p>
<p>I will definitely be sharing this post. <img src='http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this.  Love, Love, Love this.   I&#039;m a new recruiter, currently searching for new clients to start building and connecting, and putting some amazing candidates into great jobs.   But I get messages like this all the time.   Stick with your recruiters...  make quality networking connections... and maybe we&#039;ll go out and find a great client to put both together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this.  Love, Love, Love this.   I&#8217;m a new recruiter, currently searching for new clients to start building and connecting, and putting some amazing candidates into great jobs.   But I get messages like this all the time.   Stick with your recruiters&#8230;  make quality networking connections&#8230; and maybe we&#8217;ll go out and find a great client to put both together.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on! Don&#039;t ask the recruiter to do your job for you if your current job is finding a new job. As a recruiter who has worked on both the corporate and agency side of the table, I can add that there are at least those two perspectives to consider. Corporate staffers would rather have you network into them directly than to pay a third party agency...it&#039;s about the money. Agency recruiters may want to throw all the starfish back into the ocean, but in reality can only save one at a time with the clients they represent...did I mention that it is about the money?

A must read article for job seekers, but I must also add a knee jerk response to your bolded headlines regarding recruiters &quot;not caring&quot; or &quot;bad networkers.&quot; I know that the rock stars of sourcing and recruiting really do care and are excellent networkers. I would suggest that like most generalizations there really are some bad apples who are lazy, cynical, deceitful and uncaring. They should not be seen as representing a talented group of dedicated professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on! Don&#8217;t ask the recruiter to do your job for you if your current job is finding a new job. As a recruiter who has worked on both the corporate and agency side of the table, I can add that there are at least those two perspectives to consider. Corporate staffers would rather have you network into them directly than to pay a third party agency&#8230;it&#8217;s about the money. Agency recruiters may want to throw all the starfish back into the ocean, but in reality can only save one at a time with the clients they represent&#8230;did I mention that it is about the money?</p>
<p>A must read article for job seekers, but I must also add a knee jerk response to your bolded headlines regarding recruiters &#8220;not caring&#8221; or &#8220;bad networkers.&#8221; I know that the rock stars of sourcing and recruiting really do care and are excellent networkers. I would suggest that like most generalizations there really are some bad apples who are lazy, cynical, deceitful and uncaring. They should not be seen as representing a talented group of dedicated professionals.</p>
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