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		<title>Comment on Dealing With Job Search Depression by Karen Swim</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2009/04/28/dealing-with-job-search-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-476814</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Swim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn, I am subscribed to comments and saw yours come through and had to come back to comment. With your skill set there&#039;s no reason you can&#039;t create your own job as a Virtual Assistant. If you have access tp a computer and phone you can sign up with an existing firm such as Contemporary VA or A Clayton&#039;s Secretary or start your own. There are lots of small to medium sized businesses requiring project management and admin support on a contract basis. You should also give Elance a try although it does take a little time to establish yourself with higher paying clients. For other great tips on the new work strategy, visit Tory Johnson&#039;s site, Job Club. I am praying for you!

Karen Swim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, I am subscribed to comments and saw yours come through and had to come back to comment. With your skill set there&#8217;s no reason you can&#8217;t create your own job as a Virtual Assistant. If you have access tp a computer and phone you can sign up with an existing firm such as Contemporary VA or A Clayton&#8217;s Secretary or start your own. There are lots of small to medium sized businesses requiring project management and admin support on a contract basis. You should also give Elance a try although it does take a little time to establish yourself with higher paying clients. For other great tips on the new work strategy, visit Tory Johnson&#8217;s site, Job Club. I am praying for you!</p>
<p>Karen Swim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dealing With Job Search Depression by lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I type 100 wpm and take shorthand, have project management and administrative skills, am fluent in office software, and am 55+ years old. I&#039;ve gotten a single interview in the last two months, and floated over 1000 applications.  I was outsourced and took a job at $20K less than what I had been making just to get work a few years back. What hope is there when you can no longer take care of yourself and you&#039;re coming to the end of your rope?  There is no &#039;pad&#039; and no one else to rely on.  I&#039;m it, and I&#039;m already on antidepressants.  Homelessness looms and then there&#039;s no ability to even apply for work.  Who decided that I am redundant and no longer valuable, that skills I&#039;ve worked my entire life to hone are now meaningless?  I&#039;ve given everything to every position I&#039;ve ever held. The reality is, I can&#039;t afford to do anything but apply for work 14-16 hours per day, maximizing every potential opportunity.  Am I burnt out?  You bet I am.  I&#039;ve never feel so degraded as when I have to &quot;whore&quot; myself to the business world.  But I&#039;ll keep doing it until I land something or die trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I type 100 wpm and take shorthand, have project management and administrative skills, am fluent in office software, and am 55+ years old. I&#8217;ve gotten a single interview in the last two months, and floated over 1000 applications.  I was outsourced and took a job at $20K less than what I had been making just to get work a few years back. What hope is there when you can no longer take care of yourself and you&#8217;re coming to the end of your rope?  There is no &#8216;pad&#8217; and no one else to rely on.  I&#8217;m it, and I&#8217;m already on antidepressants.  Homelessness looms and then there&#8217;s no ability to even apply for work.  Who decided that I am redundant and no longer valuable, that skills I&#8217;ve worked my entire life to hone are now meaningless?  I&#8217;ve given everything to every position I&#8217;ve ever held. The reality is, I can&#8217;t afford to do anything but apply for work 14-16 hours per day, maximizing every potential opportunity.  Am I burnt out?  You bet I am.  I&#8217;ve never feel so degraded as when I have to &#8220;whore&#8221; myself to the business world.  But I&#8217;ll keep doing it until I land something or die trying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221; by Types of Recruiters: Corporate vs Agency &#124; Utah Tech Jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2010/03/17/wrong-question-do-you-know-a-recruiter-who-specializes-in/comment-page-1/#comment-476768</link>
		<dc:creator>Types of Recruiters: Corporate vs Agency &#124; Utah Tech Jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post over at JibberJobber got me thinking about how agency recruiters and corporate recruiters often have a different view of [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221; by Robert Merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob your comment made me realize that it&#039;s easy sometimes to blur the lines between corporate recruiters (normally paid a salary by the company hiring you) and third-party or &quot;agency&quot; recruiters (headhunters).  Though these roles are similar in that both people are &quot;trying to hire people&quot;, there are several key factors that may be different.  

Corporate recruiters generally feel ownership to the company they work for and develop deep relationships with the organizations they support and staff.  They want long-term success for their company.

Agency recruiters of course develop strong relationships too, but are focused broadly on a set of companies or a set of industries.  Often placing talented people several times through their career at different organizations as they build their &quot;book of business.&quot;

@nick, et al, recruiters not being good networkers is an interesting one. I know a lot of agency recruiters (usually the ones who become responsible for business development) who are very friendly and can be open.... as long as there are possible dollar signs somewhere down the road.

However, I know many recruiters who are highly analytical and process-driven.  It&#039;s actually a very good skill in our world of digital-everything.  Getting to &quot;know&quot; someone as a human being is not the same as aligning someone&#039;s key skills and abilities against a list of open requisitions and jobs and letting the hiring manager actually do the &quot;selling the job&quot; part. Is it surprising to know that many recruiters never ever EVER physically meet the people they place, even though they can tell you eerily accurate information about you like exactly what company culture you will enjoy or dislike--often because they know your job match &quot;DNA&quot;, even though they don&#039;t actually know YOU, the human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob your comment made me realize that it&#8217;s easy sometimes to blur the lines between corporate recruiters (normally paid a salary by the company hiring you) and third-party or &#8220;agency&#8221; recruiters (headhunters).  Though these roles are similar in that both people are &#8220;trying to hire people&#8221;, there are several key factors that may be different.  </p>
<p>Corporate recruiters generally feel ownership to the company they work for and develop deep relationships with the organizations they support and staff.  They want long-term success for their company.</p>
<p>Agency recruiters of course develop strong relationships too, but are focused broadly on a set of companies or a set of industries.  Often placing talented people several times through their career at different organizations as they build their &#8220;book of business.&#8221;</p>
<p>@nick, et al, recruiters not being good networkers is an interesting one. I know a lot of agency recruiters (usually the ones who become responsible for business development) who are very friendly and can be open&#8230;. as long as there are possible dollar signs somewhere down the road.</p>
<p>However, I know many recruiters who are highly analytical and process-driven.  It&#8217;s actually a very good skill in our world of digital-everything.  Getting to &#8220;know&#8221; someone as a human being is not the same as aligning someone&#8217;s key skills and abilities against a list of open requisitions and jobs and letting the hiring manager actually do the &#8220;selling the job&#8221; part. Is it surprising to know that many recruiters never ever EVER physically meet the people they place, even though they can tell you eerily accurate information about you like exactly what company culture you will enjoy or dislike&#8211;often because they know your job match &#8220;DNA&#8221;, even though they don&#8217;t actually know YOU, the human being.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Job Search Organizer Video: What is JibberJobber by Sterling Bateman</title>
		<link>http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2010/03/18/job-search-organizer-video-what-is-jibberjobber/comment-page-1/#comment-476686</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling Bateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

The video INTORDUCTION TO JIBBERJOBBER should be posted on the front page of your web site.  Before anyone signs in they need to see this video!

Steling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>The video INTORDUCTION TO JIBBERJOBBER should be posted on the front page of your web site.  Before anyone signs in they need to see this video!</p>
<p>Steling</p>
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		<title>Comment on WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221; by Nick Corcodilos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason (re: Bob&#039;s comments): I think you&#039;re right that not all headhunters/recruiters are good networkers. Many focus strictly on the assignment they&#039;re working on and dismiss broad networking, and that&#039;s what most folks see. The highly-focused recruiter who won&#039;t talk to you.

Other headhunters, however (I think the best ones) are actually hubs of information and contacts in the field they recruit in. They cultivate relationships. Frankly, that&#039;s the aspect of the business that kept me in it -- I love exploring, exploiting and cultivating new relationships. That&#039;s where the fun is, and frankly, it&#039;s also where the impact is. But a headhunter has to be comfortable with something in order to do this well: Most new contacts don&#039;t develop into business. Few do. But over time, contacts turn into something far bigger. They make the headhunter a respected hub of relationships. That&#039;s when it all pays off.

As with anything else, you must vet the people you deal with. Check the headhunter out. What&#039;s his or her reputation? How does he or she fit into the industry? The best ones have expansive relationships throughout. They might not take time to talk with you when you think you need them, but nor will the person you&#039;d like to date, right? It all takes time. The point is to do it so you&#039;ll enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason (re: Bob&#8217;s comments): I think you&#8217;re right that not all headhunters/recruiters are good networkers. Many focus strictly on the assignment they&#8217;re working on and dismiss broad networking, and that&#8217;s what most folks see. The highly-focused recruiter who won&#8217;t talk to you.</p>
<p>Other headhunters, however (I think the best ones) are actually hubs of information and contacts in the field they recruit in. They cultivate relationships. Frankly, that&#8217;s the aspect of the business that kept me in it &#8212; I love exploring, exploiting and cultivating new relationships. That&#8217;s where the fun is, and frankly, it&#8217;s also where the impact is. But a headhunter has to be comfortable with something in order to do this well: Most new contacts don&#8217;t develop into business. Few do. But over time, contacts turn into something far bigger. They make the headhunter a respected hub of relationships. That&#8217;s when it all pays off.</p>
<p>As with anything else, you must vet the people you deal with. Check the headhunter out. What&#8217;s his or her reputation? How does he or she fit into the industry? The best ones have expansive relationships throughout. They might not take time to talk with you when you think you need them, but nor will the person you&#8217;d like to date, right? It all takes time. The point is to do it so you&#8217;ll enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221; by Jason Alba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Alba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate all the comments everyone.  You all know that (a) I&#039;ve never been a recruiter, and (b) I wasn&#039;t successful in my last job search... as I wrote this post I was wondering how far off base my perspective/experience might have been.

Specifically to Bob&#039;s comments: 

1. I think, in general, recruiters are good at prospecting and networking to do their job, but you ask a recruiter for help and see how he/she clams up.  They have their network (or little black book) for a purpose, and the guard it carefully.  I doubt any of them are going to open it up for a brand new network contact - much less a job seeker who they really don&#039;t know and trust.

2. Hard data?  No, sorry.  I&#039;m not a believer in &quot;hard data.&quot;  Not since I read the book &quot;How to Lie With Statistics.&quot;  These assertions are all based on what I&#039;ve seen, heard and experienced.  So far, though, it sounds like it&#039;s fairly accurate.  There will always be outliers, but the point of the post is I want people to think about this question, and why it is a bad question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate all the comments everyone.  You all know that (a) I&#8217;ve never been a recruiter, and (b) I wasn&#8217;t successful in my last job search&#8230; as I wrote this post I was wondering how far off base my perspective/experience might have been.</p>
<p>Specifically to Bob&#8217;s comments: </p>
<p>1. I think, in general, recruiters are good at prospecting and networking to do their job, but you ask a recruiter for help and see how he/she clams up.  They have their network (or little black book) for a purpose, and the guard it carefully.  I doubt any of them are going to open it up for a brand new network contact &#8211; much less a job seeker who they really don&#8217;t know and trust.</p>
<p>2. Hard data?  No, sorry.  I&#8217;m not a believer in &#8220;hard data.&#8221;  Not since I read the book &#8220;How to Lie With Statistics.&#8221;  These assertions are all based on what I&#8217;ve seen, heard and experienced.  So far, though, it sounds like it&#8217;s fairly accurate.  There will always be outliers, but the point of the post is I want people to think about this question, and why it is a bad question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LinkedIn DVD Discounted by Job Search Organizer Video: What is JibberJobber &#124; JibberJobber Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job Search Organizer Video: What is JibberJobber &#124; JibberJobber Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the LinkedIn DVD.  PREORDER the second edition of LinkedIn for Job Seekers, the DVD at a discount. Check out all the specials here After almost four years I finally did what I&#8217;ve been asked to do by many, many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the LinkedIn DVD.  PREORDER the second edition of LinkedIn for Job Seekers, the DVD at a discount. Check out all the specials here After almost four years I finally did what I&#8217;ve been asked to do by many, many [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What I Think About Job Boards by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Janson. Now tell us how LinkedIn contributes to the Hidden Job Market. One recruiter told me that he uses LinkedIn to pull in talent, thus eliminating the need to advertise. Do you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Janson. Now tell us how LinkedIn contributes to the Hidden Job Market. One recruiter told me that he uses LinkedIn to pull in talent, thus eliminating the need to advertise. Do you agree?</p>
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		<title>Comment on WRONG QUESTION: &#8220;Do you know a recruiter who specializes in&#8230;.&#8221; by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

My assumption is that you&#039;re correct in your assessment of recruiters. Everyone knows they work for the company, not the jobseeker. I&#039;m a bit surprised to hear that recruiters aren&#039;t good networkers--don&#039;t they seek out more clients (the companies)?

The comments from recruiters seem to back up what you say. But I&#039;m curious, do you have any hard data to back up your assertions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>My assumption is that you&#8217;re correct in your assessment of recruiters. Everyone knows they work for the company, not the jobseeker. I&#8217;m a bit surprised to hear that recruiters aren&#8217;t good networkers&#8211;don&#8217;t they seek out more clients (the companies)?</p>
<p>The comments from recruiters seem to back up what you say. But I&#8217;m curious, do you have any hard data to back up your assertions?</p>
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